King Royale

[Teleplayer]

My scripty KR 2x12 sounds great "as is" - loaded with a "Made In England" Greenback and original/rebuilt Weber Ceramic Blue Dog.

However, when I ran it through my 1999 open back TH 2x12 loaded with a similar Weber and a G12H30, the KR sounded HUGE - and also louder. The volume difference might be attributable to the G12H (as opposed to the Greenback in my combo), but the "size" of the sound was also very different.

[nnick]

As it stands so far, the deal I was working on is not going to happen. His price for the King head and cab is a bit more than I think it is worth IMO.
I am going to keep my eyes open for another to go up for sale or maybe just an empty head box and go the Avatar cab route like Chimey Limey. I don't know if I want to spend the $$ on having Brian do a custom order for me on empty cabs.

[Paul D]

Well you could buy the head cab ($200-300 right?) and then an empty Avatar 2x12 for another $200-300. Swap your speakers and then sell the combo cab unloaded for maybe $200 to someone who has head & cab & wants the combo option...you'd be out about $200-400...that's what I did with my Embassy, although really I broke even b/c I already had a 2x12

Or sell your combo for say $1400 and buy a head & cab for say $1600, still cost you $200...

[nnick]

Well you could buy the head cab ($200-300 right?) and then an empty Avatar 2x12 for another $200-300. Swap your speakers and then sell the combo cab unloaded for maybe $200 to someone who has head & cab & wants the combo option...you'd be out about $200-400...that's what I did with my Embassy, although really I broke even b/c I already had a 2x12

Or sell your combo for say $1400 and buy a head & cab for say $1600, still cost you $200...

Brian quoted $375 plus shipping for a block logo head box. Pricey because it is a custom build.

I offered $1600 to a guy for his KR head and Cab. He wants 2k plus shipping and only accepts Paypal gift payment. I am not that desperate.

[nnick]

I have a block logo King Royale 2x12 combo that according to the tube chart was built in 2004. It has the fat/normal/bright switch but not the clean switch. I am thinking about moving from the combo to a head/cab set up. I contacted Brian to get a quote on a Block Logo Head box and empty 2x12 cab and given what it will cost I decided to look out for a head/cab on the used market.

I may have tracked one down if the seller will come down on his price which I think is quite high. His is a block logo that has the fat/normal/bright AND the clean switches.

My question: is there a big difference in the overall tone of these amps? I will try to give Brian a call but I don't know if I'll have a chance to do so until Friday afternoon.

Any info is appreciated.

That seems odd that a 2004 model wouldn't have the clean switch installed as stock equipment, and I wonder why that is .

Also, I'm confused by the rest of your post: are you looking for an empty head cabinet or buying another KR head and cabinet ?

Chimey, I opened up the chassis on my KR 2x12 it was dated 1999. The cab has the same serial number on the label but says 2004. Must be a newer cab. Are '99's scripty or block logo?

[Paul D]

'99s are scriptys mang!

That is pretty steep on the head cab but he told me the same thing, custom ordered block logo cab would be more than the standard art-deco look they have now. I just got lucky and got one of the last original block logo cabs for $200, but this must be close to two years ago now....

And yeah $2k for that rig is too much. I recently got a 2004 Ambassador 50 with matching open back 2x12 for $1600 and that seems to be the fair going price for head/cab configs, around $1400 for combos.

[nnick]

If i had a choice in what empty head/cab to get I would go with the Scripty design. Same color scheme as the Ambassador that was recently for sale on here but with scripty logos. Beautiful looking amp

[Chimey Limey]

If i had a choice in what empty head/cab to get I would go with the Scripty design. Same color scheme as the Ambassador that was recently for sale on here but with scripty logos. Beautiful looking amp

Just wondering ..
How does your King Royale compare to your Satellite Atom amp ?

[Paul D]

Yeah scripty's look cool but I don't think there is anything special about the cab design, in fact I think the newer cabs are deeper and probably tonally superior. The real "scripty mojo" is in the guts of the amp....

[nnick]

If i had a choice in what empty head/cab to get I would go with the Scripty design. Same color scheme as the Ambassador that was recently for sale on here but with scripty logos. Beautiful looking amp

Just wondering ..
How does your King Royale compare to your Satellite Atom amp ?

The top boost side of my KR is very similar to the Atom. The Atom has a little more bottom and gain. The KR has a broader spectrum on the volume knob and more headroom. The volume on my Atom maxes out around 5 and the rest of the way on the volume knob just adds more gain. But just to clarify, the Atom is not a high gain amp.

They both run EL84s with 12Ax7's and a GZ34 The Atom can switch between solid state and tube rectification.

[Chimey Limey]

If i had a choice in what empty head/cab to get I would go with the Scripty design. Same color scheme as the Ambassador that was recently for sale on here but with scripty logos. Beautiful looking amp

Just wondering ..
How does your King Royale compare to your Satellite Atom amp ?

The top boost side of my KR is very similar to the Atom. The Atom has a little more bottom and gain. The KR has a broader spectrum on the volume knob and more headroom. The volume on my Atom maxes out around 5 and the rest of the way on the volume knob just adds more gain. But just to clarify, the Atom is not a high gain amp.

They both run EL84s with 12Ax7's and a GZ34 The Atom can switch between solid state and tube rectification.

Interesting; thanks - I saw a post of yours at TGP today and didn't know that you owned both amps.

I'd really like to hear a current issue King Royale, since Brian is obviously using Heyboer transformers now and has likely refined this amp even more .

As I said mine was made in 2002 so it's almost a decade old, now .

[nnick]

I'd really like to hear a current issue King Royale, since Brian is obviously using Heyboer transformers now and has likely refined this amp even more .

As I said mine was made in 2002 so it's almost a decade old, now .

I have yet to see a new KR with the art deco cabs. Do you have the same handle on TGP?

[Chimey Limey]

I'd really like to hear a current issue King Royale, since Brian is obviously using Heyboer transformers now and has likely refined this amp even more .

As I said mine was made in 2002 so it's almost a decade old, now .

I have yet to see a new KR with the art deco cabs. Do you have the same handle on TGP?

No, I use a different one, over there .

Funny thing happened though -

The guy that has the Nolatone amp line(Paul ) used to own some Tophats and post here and he borrowed my handle and named one of his amps the "Chimey Limey" .

Oh,yeah .. I don't think I've seen an Art Deco KR either .. at least not for resale ; I'd love to hear one .

[Teleplayer]

I have a block logo King Royale 2x12 combo that according to the tube chart was built in 2004. It has the fat/normal/bright switch but not the clean switch. I am thinking about moving from the combo to a head/cab set up. I contacted Brian to get a quote on a Block Logo Head box and empty 2x12 cab and given what it will cost I decided to look out for a head/cab on the used market.

I may have tracked one down if the seller will come down on his price which I think is quite high. His is a block logo that has the fat/normal/bright AND the clean switches.

My question: is there a big difference in the overall tone of these amps? I will try to give Brian a call but I don't know if I'll have a chance to do so until Friday afternoon.

Any info is appreciated.

That seems odd that a 2004 model wouldn't have the clean switch installed as stock equipment, and I wonder why that is .

Also, I'm confused by the rest of your post: are you looking for an empty head cabinet or buying another KR head and cabinet ?

Chimey, I opened up the chassis on my KR 2x12 it was dated 1999. The cab has the same serial number on the label but says 2004. Must be a newer cab. Are '99's scripty or block logo?

Early 1999 - scripty.
Later 1999 - could be block logo. I am not certain exactly when Brian started tweaking the KR. My 1999 50w Emplex is definitely a scripty circuit - confirmed by both the control layout and Brian himself.

[nnick]

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Early 1999 - scripty.
Later 1999 - could be block logo. I am not certain exactly when Brian started tweaking the KR. My 1999 50w Emplex is definitely a scripty circuit - confirmed by both the control layout and Brian himself.

How do you determine if it is Scripty or not?